Mai 26 18:02:36 *	Kevin_Kofler hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-26 - Init
Mai 26 18:03:26 Kevin_Kofler	Time for the KDE SIG meeting - who's present?
Mai 26 18:03:35 rdieter	here
Mai 26 18:03:48 MathStuf	here
Mai 26 18:03:50 svahl	present
Mai 26 18:03:50 *	SMParrish here
Mai 26 18:04:06 *	jreznik is here
Mai 26 18:04:14 Kevin_Kofler	OK, so first of all, anything to discuss other than recent bugs?
Mai 26 18:04:20 Kevin_Kofler	The agenda has only 4 recent bugs.
Mai 26 18:04:57 jreznik	polkit-qt fight status :)
Mai 26 18:05:03 Kevin_Kofler	Qt 4.5.1 maybe?
Mai 26 18:05:17 Kevin_Kofler	<MathStuf> 4.3b1 for kde-unstable timeline?
Mai 26 18:05:23 Kevin_Kofler	I think those will be enough. :-)
Mai 26 18:05:39 Kevin_Kofler	Let's try to be fast, as rdieter and ltinkl will both have to leave early (and than is on vacation).
Mai 26 18:05:52 *	Kevin_Kofler hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-26 - Qt 4.5.1
Mai 26 18:06:10 *	ltinkl is semi-present
Mai 26 18:06:10 Kevin_Kofler	First topic: Qt 4.5.1 - any news?
Mai 26 18:06:40 MathStuf	I've been running it for a while now; SVG stuff is fixed, nothing noticably wrong with plasma rendering anymore either
Mai 26 18:06:47 Kevin_Kofler	We have the sorta "fix" for rssnow now and Amarok 2.1 beta builds.
Mai 26 18:06:51 Kevin_Kofler	So no real blockers.
Mai 26 18:07:09 rdieter	spun a new build qt-4.5.1-11 with newest qt-copy patches, important new includde qtempfile fix, the another for plasma/qpixmap leaks
Mai 26 18:07:09 Kevin_Kofler	For Amarok 2.1: if the libgpod update is not imminent, we should patch it to build with the old one.
Mai 26 18:07:56 Kevin_Kofler	I can do the patch, AFAICT it will be basically trivial.
Mai 26 18:08:03 rdieter	Kevin_Kofler: thanks, let's do that
Mai 26 18:08:37 Kevin_Kofler	Anything else about Qt 4.5.1? Otherwise we'll move on.
Mai 26 18:09:46 Kevin_Kofler	Well, I have one more thing: when will we move it to stable? When Amarok 2.1 beta is stable too?
Mai 26 18:09:56 Kevin_Kofler	Or do we try to wait some more for a better rssnow fix?
Mai 26 18:10:27 Kevin_Kofler	rdieter?
Mai 26 18:10:35 rdieter	imo, no sooner than when amarok-2.1 lands (< week, or so I've been told)
Mai 26 18:10:57 Kevin_Kofler	OK
Mai 26 18:11:05 *	Kevin_Kofler hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-26 - polkit-qt and PolicyKit 1
Mai 26 18:11:12 Kevin_Kofler	Next topic: polkit-qt and PolicyKit 1
Mai 26 18:11:17 Kevin_Kofler	jreznik?
Mai 26 18:11:57 jreznik	Kevin_Kofler: ok, I'm now talking with dfr, we have response from davidz
Mai 26 18:12:46 jreznik	working on port - now line by line port - it's segfaulting somewhere in glib but I think it's on a right way
Mai 26 18:13:39 jreznik	it's more guessing meaining of api as docs are bad than coding...
Mai 26 18:14:55 Kevin_Kofler	Lack of documentation is a big problem there.
Mai 26 18:15:01 Kevin_Kofler	I also had that problem for ConsoleKit.
Mai 26 18:15:33 Kevin_Kofler	I noticed that ConsoleKit has grown at least some documentation since, but it's still mostly just "there's this D-Bus method with these parameters" and not much else.
Mai 26 18:17:15 jreznik	check policykit-devel
Mai 26 18:18:19 Kevin_Kofler	Well, good luck with the port! I think that was it on this subject for now, let's move on...
Mai 26 18:18:24 *	Kevin_Kofler hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-26 - KDE 4.3 beta for kde-redhat unstable
Mai 26 18:18:34 Kevin_Kofler	Next topic: KDE 4.3 beta for kde-redhat unstable
Mai 26 18:18:42 Kevin_Kofler	MathStuf brought that one up. rdieter?
Mai 26 18:18:57 rdieter	I'm working on fc10 builds, MathStuf on fc11 ones.
Mai 26 18:19:05 MathStuf	F11 is done
Mai 26 18:19:24 rdieter	for fc10, I've got up to kdebase-workspace done
Mai 26 18:19:48 rdieter	MathStuf: cool, let's figure out a way to copy over the packages, and I'll stuff 'em into the repos
Mai 26 18:19:53 MathStuf	k
Mai 26 18:20:00 rdieter	can haggle out details in #fedora-kde later
Mai 26 18:20:10 MathStuf	2.5GB (with repodata, src, and debuginfo)
Mai 26 18:20:53 rdieter	it's been a good exercize, we've caught a few bugs, missing deps here and there
Mai 26 18:22:16 *	rdieter is still wrestling to get his centos5/mock builder to work with f11+
Mai 26 18:23:58 Kevin_Kofler	OK, anything else before we move on to recent bugs?
Mai 26 18:24:19 rdieter	move on++
Mai 26 18:24:33 *	Kevin_Kofler hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-26 - Recent bugs
Mai 26 18:24:39 Kevin_Kofler	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=477074
Mai 26 18:24:41 buggbot	Bug 477074: medium, low, ---, rdieter, ASSIGNED, kcmviewer: no .po file is built nor installed
Mai 26 18:25:28 skvidal	rdieter: issues with rpm there, right?
Mai 26 18:26:16 Kevin_Kofler	skvidal: No, an issue with the kchmviewer translations themselves.
Mai 26 18:26:25 Kevin_Kofler	Note that it only happens if it's built without KDE support.
Mai 26 18:26:31 Kevin_Kofler	IMHO a classic case of Don't Do That Then.
Mai 26 18:26:48 rdieter	skvidal: centos5/mock/fc11+?  yeah, I've up'd to rpm-4.6.0 there, but still no workie.  Am I missing something? (or a better plae/time to ask)?
Mai 26 18:27:00 skvidal	rdieter: maybe ask elsewhere :)
Mai 26 18:27:23 rdieter	skvidal: I'll ping you later for details.
Mai 26 18:27:28 Kevin_Kofler	Well, actually there are patches to apply for the KDE-based translations to work, too.
Mai 26 18:27:34 SMParrish	Kevin_Kofler: its being built with KDE support now correct?
Mai 26 18:28:06 rdieter	I'm not worried all that much about kcmviewer.  okular has chm support now, we're really close to being able to simply EOL it
Mai 26 18:28:25 rdieter	or leaving the mess for upstream to fix
Mai 26 18:28:26 Kevin_Kofler	SMParrish: It is. I'm not sure if patches are needed when it is though.
Mai 26 18:28:56 SMParrish	So do you want to leave this one open or close it as WONTFIX
Mai 26 18:29:48 rdieter	I forget, do you have a kchviewer maintainer? If so, leave open.  If not, WONTFIX and EOL it, imo
Mai 26 18:30:35 rdieter	or at least threaten to EOL, and see if anyone steps up to help give it some love
Mai 26 18:31:05 SMParrish	ummm you are listed as the maintainer
Mai 26 18:31:27 SMParrish	atleast for F11 and devel
Mai 26 18:31:50 rdieter	I jumped in to fix the conflicts with kdegraphics.
Mai 26 18:32:05 Kevin_Kofler	The guy who filed that bug is listed as awaiting review for comaintainership.
Mai 26 18:33:42 rdieter	ok, maybe we can pursue the new (co)maintainer then.
Mai 26 18:34:05 SMParrish	Then I'll leave it open,  Rex can you approve his ACLs
Mai 26 18:34:15 Kevin_Kofler	Next bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=489093
Mai 26 18:34:17 buggbot	Bug 489093: medium, low, ---, than, ASSIGNED, selinux-policy not allowing kde4-config to write to ~root/.kde
Mai 26 18:34:59 *	rdieter waves bye, runs to appointment
Mai 26 18:35:04 Kevin_Kofler	That one looks like a sorta-dupe of the "kde4-config expensive" bug.
Mai 26 18:35:18 Kevin_Kofler	I.e. fixing that will also fix that SELinux alert.
Mai 26 18:35:28 Kevin_Kofler	IMHO let's close it as a dupe of that.
Mai 26 18:35:37 SMParrish	Ok will do that
Mai 26 18:36:35 Kevin_Kofler	Next bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=489647
Mai 26 18:36:36 buggbot	Bug 489647: medium, medium, ---, than, ASSIGNED, Konqueror update sees RT 3.6.6 (from Best Practical) site inaccessible.
Mai 26 18:37:47 Kevin_Kofler	This one is bad because it affects an app used internally at RH (and other companies, too).
Mai 26 18:37:58 SMParrish	Need input from jreznik or someone else inside RH who can advise if this is still an issue
Mai 26 18:38:01 Kevin_Kofler	It's already filed upstream: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=186035
Mai 26 18:38:03 buggbot	Bug 186035: normal, NOR, ---, kdelibs-bugs kde org, UNCONFIRMED, No authorization dialog when authorization required, page is still loading
Mai 26 18:38:08 Kevin_Kofler	Not much happening there, unfortunately.
Mai 26 18:38:43 jreznik	SMParrish: I'll try it
Mai 26 18:38:51 Kevin_Kofler	Unfortunately, the URL given as "externally visible" actually isn't.
Mai 26 18:39:01 Kevin_Kofler	(engineering.redhat.com cannot be resolved)
Mai 26 18:39:32 SMParrish	I know I tried it as well, will leave open until I hear something
Mai 26 18:39:36 jreznik	wau, it's ok
Mai 26 18:39:54 Kevin_Kofler	So close as fixed in 4.2.3?
Mai 26 18:40:45 jreznik	yes
Mai 26 18:40:46 SMParrish	Great I'll close it then
Mai 26 18:41:03 Kevin_Kofler	The upstream bug needs closing too, should I do it?
Mai 26 18:41:52 Kevin_Kofler	Upstream bug closed.
Mai 26 18:42:02 Kevin_Kofler	Next bug (last one on our agenda): https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=486245
Mai 26 18:42:03 buggbot	Bug 486245: high, low, ---, than, ASSIGNED, holding keys down no longer results in repeated entries
Mai 26 18:42:49 SMParrish	I could not dupe this, anyone have any input
Mai 26 18:43:18 Kevin_Kofler	This one really needs to be filed upstream.
Mai 26 18:43:25 Kevin_Kofler	Though if nobody can reproduce it...
Mai 26 18:44:43 SMParrish	Since the reporter has not filed it upstream I will and see what response we get
Mai 26 18:45:18 *	Kevin_Kofler hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-26 - Open discussion
Mai 26 18:45:26 Kevin_Kofler	That was it for the agenda. Anything else to discuss?
Mai 26 18:45:58 MathStuf	eigen2 from hg to avoid random build failures in qr/general fixes?
Mai 26 18:46:39 SMParrish	Who can we convince to run for FESCO?  I agree with rdieter that KDE needs someone there
Mai 26 18:46:41 Kevin_Kofler	Yes, we should take a new eigen2 snapshot from hg to pick up the fixed qr testcase.
Mai 26 18:46:46 Kevin_Kofler	(That was an easy one. :-) )
Mai 26 18:46:55 Kevin_Kofler	Now who will do the eigen2 work?
Mai 26 18:47:02 Kevin_Kofler	I can do it.
Mai 26 18:47:36 jreznik	SMParrish: yes, we need FESCO guy :)
Mai 26 18:47:50 Kevin_Kofler	SMParrish: I'm considering running, it's not like I'm not already fairly busy, but I think we really need to get heard (rather than hurt ;-) ).
Mai 26 18:48:26 SMParrish	Kevin_Kofler: I agree and think you would be an excellent choice
Mai 26 18:49:16 jwb_	hurt?
Mai 26 18:49:22 Kevin_Kofler	I think the voting process should be changed so a list of people can run and a random person from the list can vote in meetings, it would make this whole "I'm already too busy" issue less of an issue.
Mai 26 18:49:34 Kevin_Kofler	But whatever.
Mai 26 18:49:44 Kevin_Kofler	We'll have to do with how things work.
Mai 26 18:55:04 Kevin_Kofler	jwb_: Mostly theoretical. There weren't any FESCo decisions which really HURT KDE (though e.g. the flags policy which got approved was less than ideal, we'll see how this will all turn out though).
Mai 26 18:55:49 jwb_	ok...
Mai 26 18:56:37 Kevin_Kofler	IMHO we should present more than 1 candidate though, the more KDE SIG members we get into FESCo, the better!
Mai 26 18:56:57 jwb_	y
Mai 26 18:57:08 Kevin_Kofler	And the way range voting works, we won't really steal each other's place.
Mai 26 18:57:53 Kevin_Kofler	Range voting actually favors clones rather than punishing them like plurality does.
Mai 26 18:58:01 Kevin_Kofler	So more candidates = higher chances!
Mai 26 18:59:52 Kevin_Kofler	OK, time's up, who's going to write the summary? jreznik? svahl
Mai 26 18:59:56 Kevin_Kofler	?
Mai 26 18:59:57 SMParrish	Just remember all nominations have be in by this Friday
Mai 26 19:00:52 svahl	I'll do the summary, but someone maybe need to fill in some background for the bugs
Mai 26 19:01:01 SMParrish	I can do that
Mai 26 19:01:31 svahl	thx. I'll ping you in #fedora-kde when I'm finished
Mai 26 19:01:39 jreznik	svahl: thanks... I missed most of todays meeting talking with Polkit-KDE guys (and working on ti)
Mai 26 19:02:09 svahl	jreznik, np. It's also my turn this week :)
Mai 26 19:02:27 Kevin_Kofler	OK, so that's all for today, thanks everyone who attended!